Say, what?
Holly Graf's civilian layer, Charles Gittins, told a panel of three rear admirals at the Washington Navy Yard that Capt. Holly Graf inherited the “worst ship on the waterfront” and a wardroom that was “largely incompetent.”
No. Just... NO.
Update: Her panelists: Rear Adms. Gretchen Herbert, James McManamon and presiding officer Mark Buzby.
Update 2: Graf's civilian lawyer previously defended former Sergeant Major of the Army Gene McKinney, who was charged with sexual harrassment in the late 1980's. As an aside, McKinney was arrested earlier this month on charges that he lost his temper and deliberately struck a pedestrian with his car. It looks as if Gittins has a track record for signing on with ill-tempered clients.
Many thanks to Neptunus Lex and Salamander for the mentions. Big thanks to Glenn at militarycorruption.com for his kind words about my coverage of the Graf case:
She can see through the "BS" like a laser beam and you won't be fed "the official line" from her, like in other publications. Read the rest of his comments here, at his place.
As for Holly... One of Lex's commenters left this insightful observation:
There are only two people in the entire United States Navy that I have made a conscious effort to avoid. Graf is one of them and the other retired several years ago. That I would take time to check out where she was stationed before accepting orders should speak volumes.
Head over to his place to see the rest of it.
Oh, and a friendly shout-out to USA TODAY, who's been chilling at my place. Hope you got what you needed.
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Wow, just WOW! There she has the final nail in her credibility, in my always humble opinion. ;)
Thanks for keeping up on this one, Susan.
Brat, here's the crazy part. How much do you want to bet that if the MSM gets in on the act, they will buy her crazy story?
You all are surprised??? Really???? What'd you think that whore was gonna do? Be accountable or some shit? Of COURSE she's gonna throw the crew/wardroom under the bus. It's how Officers work. Would like to see her hang by the neck until dead. Then have the body displayed on the waterfront so that each pigfucking ladder climber could see the consequences of their actions. I hate officers. They don't fucking matter one fucking bit. Yet, they are overcompensated for their bullshit. Officers. Please. Would love to be put in a room with Sea HAG for twenty seconds. Alone. Right thumb, left eyeball and shit. LINE and shit. What a fucking joke.
The brunt of the blame belongs to those officers that signed off on her fucking fitreps. Those officers that enabled her should be drummed out of OUR Navy. Those officers that decline any jot of accountability should be lined up and shot. Were I CNO I'd shoot their families too.
If you're an officer and you're reading this know that with every fiber in my body I fucking hate you. Know that for every Sea HAG that gets outed there's about ten to fifteen that aren't. You fucking officers make me fucking ill. You all have dragged what was the finest fighting force in history through the fucking mud. Hope y'all are proud. You all, to me, are lower than whale shit. I give a fuck about what you've all done or the stupid pieces of parchment you got on your "I Love Me" wall. If you're an officer, and you had any inkling of Sea HAG's anitics and didn't come forward you need to do the right thing now and kill yourself. That's right. That is, what someone with any spec of honor left would do. To have been party to Sea HAG and remained silent...you all are fucking whores to me.
I hate you all and hope you all die badly. Ebloa. Yes, that's it. I hope you all contract ebola virus, pass it on to your fuck trophy children and fat brood-sow wives. As you lay there bleeding from every fucking orifice maybe you'll recall just what the fuck honor, courage, and committment means. You all sicken me. I cannot say that enough.
I hope Sea HAG reads this, I hope many many many whore officers read this. If it makes you upset: GOOD.
Of COURSE the msm will buy her story - partly because they are wilfully ignorant.
"Calling BHO for a beer summit, so they can all play nice. BHOOOOOOOOOOOO!"
[slinking back to the Bratville corner now - but paying attention..lol]
Here's the problem. Somewhere along the line, we lost track of how to tell the difference between placating society and defending the country. It's really oh-so cool to have a female commander... or, is it? Why should it matter? The ONLY thing that should count is whether we are properly defending the country. We play social games to our peril. And it's not peacetime, where we could afford to absorb a Kara Hultgreen situation. I've referred her before in these threads, btw.. a sad case of a falsely-elevated female who couldnt fly a jet and wound up killing herself, losing an aircraft, and buying a whole lot of people a lifetime of nightmares.
Back to Holly, though... she is bad for the Navy and the country in so many ways.... including her ability to foster resentment amongst genuine warfighters such as EmmDee, who has put his life on the line on behalf of this country. I thank *you* for your service. Holly... among other things, you need to repay the USG for the damage you did to the props when you hot-dogged the ship in shallow waters and ran her aground.
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The problem is the criterion by which these faggoty officers are selected. See, the fact that we can't seem to break the 19th Century caste which requires a PAYMENT into LEADERSHIP be it a diploma or actual cash procurement of title is what's gotten us to where we are now. The fact that each of these faggoty officers' comissions cost approx 200K doesn't mean that the .mil is necessarily getting the best military minds. What they ARE getting is some faggot that can spew a bile of number two lead on a fucking Scantron sheet.
My grandfather did the Murmansk Run in WWII. Gunnery Officer aboard a Liberty Ship. Prior to my entering the Naval Service he said "there is no bigger bunch of know-nothings than the officer corps." He was right.
It is completely in appropriate to make negative comments and inferences re Capt Graf's lawyer because of who he has represented. The is the job of a lawyer in our system of justice; to represent the accused, regardless of what the accused is accused of. The more notorious and scandalous the past clients a lawyer has represented, the better lawyer he probably is.
Keep to the facts re Capt Graf's hearing, and lay off the silly ,snide remarks. This unfortunate passage has gone on long enough, and everyone has has the better part of a year to make mean spirited comments. Capt Graf is a ruined officer. She has paid an extermely large penalty for whatever she did, or did not do.
Mossback weighs in:
The three officers on that board, Buzby graduated for the Merchant Academy (wow) Herbert and McManamon are NOT ring knockers. Herbert did not hold command at sea while the two males did and there commends were crusiers as the USS Cowpens.
So we have no Annapolis ring knockers to two cruiser/destroyer men and one female flag rank officer (look at her also, very attractive also) this could be the Navy is sending a message to the Sea HAG (the ring is not going to help this time)...
In re the comment from Anon asking for a cease and desist on the snide commentary.
I want to clarify that the nickname Sea HAG is not an example of being snide. Our subject's name is Holly Ann Graf. So you see, we are only using her monogram. An example of us being proper.
A ruined officer? How so? Didn't she save the wretched USS Cowpens from its incompetent crew, who forced her to speak authoritatively to men who have been coddled all their lives? Why, I bet the Navy promotes her and gives her a medal when they hear her true version of events.
From Mossback:
I have been following some of the comments written concerning what may be the fate of the infamous Sea Hag AKA: Captain Holly Graf in the days ahead. Let is review the tally sheet or better yet the bill the Sea Hag has run up during her service to this country and its people. The one item that is not subjective is the costs of the repairs to the USS Cowpens and USS Winston S. Churchill as a result of her poor ship handling. So her ledger sheet has millions of dollars wasted due to her misconduct.
Now we have to be subjective, but fitness reports and evaluations are subjective at best and the results of a bad or good fitness/evaluation had far reaching effects. How many good sailors careers are now on the rocks because of her? How many good people left the service because of her? How many sailors may have ended up with General Discharges or even worse because of her bad leadership over the years and they saw no way out or hope? We may never know.
Her career is ruined? At 25 years service she will get out with at least 62.5% base pay of a O-6 at +25 years of service with full benefits. This is justice? Tell that to the bildge divers in the hole or the mess cooks. These men and women can show us all what sweat and hard work really is. An officers career is ruined as she cries all to the bank on the taxpayers dime each month?
That is what really irks me, somehow because an officer that had at best a limited chance of making flag rank now will be forced to retire with full pension and benefits, while we have men and women scrubbing commodes on extra duty details for very slight infactions (as they should be). The case of the Sea Hag calls to our attention the injustice to the lower ranking members of the naval community. It will not happen of course, but justice would be if the Sea Hag ended up in a orange jump suit for several years.
Anon:
Clearly you're another faggot fucking zero sticking up for another faggot fucking zero. You know what a faggot is? It's a fucking bundle of dried up sticks that goes up quickly when HEAT is applied.
Who the FUCK are YOU to be coming the fuck here and posting your fucking bilge anonymously? Honor. Courage. Committment. Yes, I'm sure I've read something about these three words someplace.
I would very much like to know you. If only to hear your last fucking filthy breath. Sadly, it ain't gonna happen. You ain't worth it. Your fat fucking wife and fuck trophy children ain't worth it.
Bet you'll tell us next you're a deep water guy or a SPECWAR guy or a fucking homo pilot. Yeah, I'm betting that it: You're a faggot fucking Winger. Par for the fucking course.
How you like my lingo now motherfucker????
Mossback:
On the lighter side...about who the Sea Hag is.
It is true the name Sea Hag has been used by me whenever I write about Capt. Holly Graf the former commanding officer of the USS Cowpens. It could be we are being unfair to the Sea Hag herself and let me try to explain.
The Sea Hag is a female witch who is was featured in the Popeye cartoon series. The Sea Hag was introduced to Popeye in the 1930's. and she was attracted to Popeye, but as we all know Olive Oyl is the one and only for Popeye. The Sea Hag having been rejected by Popeye turned on Popeye with a vengence and was motivated as a woman that was spurned (ouch).
Later Bluto was made into a young man by a spell cast by the Sea Hag and she (Sea Hag) attempted to stir a relationship with Bluto and failed as he was trying to court Olive Oyl also.
The point is the Sea Hag always had an interest and went out looking for the company of men while Capt. Graf, well who knows? So let us be fair to the Sea Hag, who as the commanding officer of her ship, "The Black Barnacile" never ran that ship up on the rocks and never caused damage to the ships hull and was and is a far better sailor then Capt. Graf.
So to the Sea Hag I want to say I am sorry for associating you with Capt. Holly Graf. You are a far better sailor then Capt. Graf and you deserve credit for that. Your personal life is your own business and so good luck and I hope you find someone.
MDR---If you are currently serving in the Navy, and have the attitude and appreciation for commissioned officers that you express here, you probably should not be. My experience in life is that when people resort to profanity and vulgarity to make a point, they are showing the world their lack of intellect and education, and the insecurity that causes them.
It serves no purpose to affix crude nick names to Capt Graf like the Sea Hag. Capt Graf may have had some misfortunes and made some mistakes, but my thesis is that she has paid a very high price for that. This is a very unfortunate episode for everyone having anything to do with it. The Navy suffers along with Capt Graf. Berating the situation will do nothing good, nor will the future be changed markedly, regardless of the rantings of some indivuduals. Mistakes will doubtless be made again by Commanding Officers and those assigning Commanding Officers to command.
There is nothing to be gained in resolving it by being vindictive and looking to hurt someone more than they have already been hurt.
As you might guess, I am an active senior officer in the Navy.
Hi, been following Major MacDonald over at MCC and you were linked.
All I can say about this case is in my 16 years as man and boy as a non-com in the Army, Army Guard, Navy, and Army again, I have worked for leaders, managers, administrators, bullshitters, backstabbers, never-gonna-get-its; good, bad, awful, and every stripe of officer in between. Any career military person can say the same. The key isn't man/woman, black/white/whatever... the one thing that is non-negotiable is that the CO must give a damn about their people. If they're not that good at what they need to do, they just need to stay the hell out of the enlisted peoples way and let us make them look good... as long as they take care of us, we take care of them.
Point blank, no superior has ever put hands on me... and anyone who does has no right to be that superior... and a broken wrist or jaw for grabbing someone by the throat might fix that, but we can all dream about what we might have done, right? Heh.
One thing, I might be wrong, but you stated something about her retirement, and I asked one of my old shipmates to clarify a point... I think if she is forced to retire with full pay and bennies, she'd retire as an O-3 or O-4 (Lieutenant or Lieutenant Commander), but honestly I can't swear to that. He said something about "'served satisfactorily in grade' means different things for officers than for petty officers."
Good luck with getting in to the board hearing! Doubt you'll succeed tho...
Capt Graf may have had some misfortunes and made some mistakes, but my thesis is that she has paid a very high price for that.
She ain't paid squat, Anon. She's been protected and promoted her entire career, despite episodes that should have resulted in her being booted out of the Navy long ago.
I think if she is forced to retire with full pay and bennies, she'd retire as an O-3 or O-4 (Lieutenant or Lieutenant Commander)...
Nup. As with any other officer (other than flag), she'll retire at her highest pay grade held for one year, unless punitively reduced in rank by court-martial.
The Navy suffers along with Capt Graf.
Spare me.
Holly Graf is just one of the Navy's many self-inflicted wounds.
Holly Graf had "misfortunes?" The Navy has suffered along with her?
I guess we're all going to hold hands, now, and tell Holly we support her while she transitions to recovery. After all, this is all about her...
Apparently, I go back farther than the rest of you. We were routinely beaten when I was a junior enlisted, particularly in training. SF Q course was physically brutal. And MDR, I get it as I was enlisted for 11 years before crossing over. And yes, a large majority of officers are less than snail shit. And, for your information there is a ceiling for prior enlisted. Some manage to break through it but because as a former E-7 I stood up for my troops at the cost of my OERs. So, what! I also hate all Academy grads no matter what Academy they come from. I really hate ring knockers. Let me tell a quick story. I was attending Cornell for my PhD (at the Army's expense of course) and myself and another Major a very good friend of mine also SF and also a mustang, were invited to a Dining In at the Dean's house. So, we show up in our Blues and he asks where our rings are and refuses us entrance. So, ask me how I really feel about them. But what really amazes me is how this piece of crap survived any of these tours (and I mean that literally)? Navy guys seem to be pussies. You guys let this woman push you around. I'll bet a lot of them cried when she berated them. Boo Hoo, I want my mommy! We have our share in the Army of these piles of dog doo, but none in the rank higher than O-5 have ever seem combat (obviously as they are still alive). But every one of them eventually gets taken care of if you wait long enough. I fell on my sword once and still didn't win but I had the satisfaction of getting this bitch relieved for, and yes I used it proudly, sexual harassment. What goes around comes around.
This just in from Mossback:
Anonymous by his own words has shown what the problem is with the values of the senior officer corps in our military today. When it was wriiten that Capt. Holly Graf has paid a high price for her mistakes, my reply to that is, what high price? The price tag for her poor ship handling is in the millions, that is real money that could have been spent or used elsewhere.
This is my case of the poor values of senior officers today: Let us make Holly Graf a E-6 and she is driving a Navy van while on duty. As a result of her poor driving and judgement the van is damaged in a collison with a guard rail on base. The system would come down quickly as it should because Petty Officer First Class Holly Graf damaged U.S. government property due to her misconduct.
Now let us put Capt. Holly Graf back on her ship and she because of reasons written before has costed the U.S. taxpayer millions of dollars. How can Anonymous defend a system in which a first class petty officer is held to a higher level of accountability then a O-6?
Captain Graf will not be busted, restricted, no brig time and leave active duty with a full pension and benefits for life. While First Petty Officer Graf is now a Second Class Petty Officer, fined, resticted, loss of driving priviliages on base, little or no chance of making CPO and maybe not be allowed to re-enlist and make her 20.
This is the logic and values of a the Navy officer corps today and it is so wrong.
One last item, in reference to calling Captain Holly Graf the Sea Hag, looking back on that, it was a wrong thing for me to do and as Susan knows I wrote how the Sea Hag when the commanding officer of The Black Barnicle was a good ship handler and sailor and I was being unfair to the Sea Hag comparing her to Captain Holly Graf and so for all to see for the record, I am sorry Sea Hag and will refrain from comparing you to Captain Graf again.
It is entirely APPROPRIATE to comment on the Attorney handling the case; Like several other "prominent" attorneys, Mr Gittens has made a name for himself, defending "the accused" in High Profile Military Cases; Like other "prominent" attorneys ; it is just a shame that the quality of defense is largely based on the defendants ability to pay/financial resources! - But that's ALL Attorneys' isn't it?
Do not even get me started on attorney price tags and the ease with which legal favors can be obtained...
BillT said...
Nup. As with any other officer (other than flag), she'll retire at her highest pay grade held for one year, unless punitively reduced in rank by court-martial.
Actually, the retirement statute in 10 U.S. Code has a misconduct provision that will retire her at the reduced paygrade, using the "high-1" retirement system instead of "high-3." If the board recommends retirement as O4 and SECNAV concurs, she will receive 62.5 % of the base pay of an O4 over 25 years. Still a significant payment, but much less than if she is not reduced from O6.
Thanks for the correction, BattleJAG.
Ya kinda lose track of changes to USC if they don't affect you...
Anon:
Sometimes vulagarity, profanity, and all the rest is used much in much the same way as small arms: TO DRAW FIRE.
Something that you might've covered prior to Robin Sage... that is if in fact that you are who'd you like us to think you are.
For The Record: I called this. I said that Anon would next tell us he's either a homo pilot, SPECWAR, or some other cool guy job. Well, wtf happened? Anon takes my recon by fire and runs with it: A prior SF guy who crossed over to be a Naval Officer? That mein Herr, don't pass the whiff test.
The fact that you'd rather defend your "career" to us vice your shaky position with regards to SEA HAG tells volumes about the kind of Officer you are: Typically arrogant and above-it-all. Hate to be the bearer of bad news but UCMJ applies to you all as much as us all.
Oh yea, I'm not active at this time. Took a medical discharge in '04. The fact that you're still in however bugs me to no end. I shouldn't be in? Well, allow me to retort churlish: You coming here and giving the impression that SEA HAG's good to go says to me that you ain't got no f'n business leading troops. Even in the grotesque nasty Army. That's right. You do know the Army is only second to the Air Force on the joke meter, right? You do know that to someone who's served in Marine Infantry Battalions you all nothing more that retarded children who get in the way, right? Yeah, you go back to the Army. It's where you belong. Hey, maybe we can box and ship Sea HAG to y'all and SHE can be YOUR Division Commander!!!??? You could be the XO and we'll get PFC Manning sprung from the Brig so's he can be your Adj. Sounds about right to me, Sir.
At any rate, of course you're SF. Maybe tomorrow you'll tell someone you're a helo pilot. Day after that, CIA? Who knows with people like you. You post Anonymously so you're really not all that real, are you?
Sea HAG is done. Cooked like a crack rock in a junkies' pipe. What credibility will she have left after this retention board is done? You really think they're gonna give her another combat command? Think they're gonna put her around junior zeros/enlisted ever again?
MDR, I'm kind of curious. I've been watching your postings for the last couple of days, and have noticed a lot of anger and resentment towards officers. I personally have no regard for Capt Graf at all. She's a disgrace to the Naval Service and should be put out. Your postings though deal more with your anger towards the entire officer population versus this one "bad egg". Your current views and rage didn't have anything to do with your Med Discharge in 2004, did they? Just curious. I say this having worked both on the enlisted and officer side of the fence (not SF or pilot, just a grunt). I've seen this kind of bahavior before, but only on Ward 3W, when I was visiting one of my troops.
Bad eggs are like roaches. You see and kill one but there's fifty or so you don't know about. You gonna really tell us that Graf is the one bad egg reeking it up for the rest of you? Sorry. Not buying it. The ONLY way we'll know is if JCOS gives you all the 'sunlight treatment' you so richly deserve. Haul it all out in front of the taxpayers and put it to them. After all We The People are, in fact, your superior. You strike me as yet another typically arrogant zero looking to shift blame and misdirect the skyline.
To MDR,
I was an officer, for the record a "Mustang". Guess what? We, the officers, don't hate enlisted men, BUT I have no doubt that my fellow officers dealt with low-grade stuff like you and probably dealt with you in the most appropriate manner - separation for the good of the service
MDR, I believe the story here was about Capt Graf, and yet you've taken her behavior and indicted the entire officer system with her actions. I guess you feel this same way about officers like the late Lt Michael Murphy, Col Greg Boyington, and the list goes on? I noticed that you also managed to sidestep the question about your "Medical Discharge" I won't even get into your RE Code or Characterization of Service. I believe those two questions have already answered themselves.
Anon1/Anon2: Got nothing to hide. Discharge was Honorable and right lower leg from calf down needed surgical reconstruction. Not material to this case whatsoever. But, since you both wanted to know...
Now, to business:
The fact that you're defending whale shit by shifting fire towards me is quite telling. This article before we all went down rabbit trails had mostly to do with the fact that Sea HAG threw her crew under the bus. Something that has gone on since ships went to sea and sailors and officers had to live in close quarters.
Of COURSE not ALL officers are like her. Some of you are actually very good people. Some of you I'd follow to places where the only reward is quick death. Some of you, I even consider friends. Bet if we met in person we'd get along pretty well. We're just on two different sides of a fenceline, Gentleman.
My position here is that Graf should hang. She should be made such and example and her behaviour placed at zero tolerance DoD wide. By lumping you all together and including her into your ranks you then see how quickly the stench from one rotten egg infiltrates.
This is business. Nothing personal about the two of you as human beings. However, the fact that you'd seek to adjust fire from Graf to the circumstances under which I was discharged...well, it's typical of your community. I'm wrong but you're wronger...
Now, if the two of you wish, get with the moderator here. Give her your ground mailing addy's. I'll send my DD214 to her then she can forward it to you. How's that for disclosure? If not...well, guess we can go 'rounds. I got much more time now than you. Am sure.
In closing, there's no doubt that our Officer Corps is the envy of the world by comparison. Doesn't make them right, deified, or anything else. We all, on a daily basis, strive to do and be better than the previous day.
MDR, your behavioral pattern seem to change by the day, and that is quite disturbing. Please do tell how I was shifting the blame from Capt Graf to you by addressing your discharge? I clearly addressed my opinion of the officer and what I hoped would be the disposition of her hearing. You are the one, who in previous days, have cast doubts upon the entire officer community in general, through your rather tragic and unbalanced rants. And today, suddenly, you are changing your tone. Yes, please do send Ms Keating your DD-214. Of course, I won't wait for it as I have pretty much pegged you already as an internet wannabe and a whiner, who claims that all of life's injustices can be blamed on the officer community.
MDR--you psychotic. Speaking as a commissioned officer, the armed forces do not need people like you, and it is fortunate that have been discharged. I don't think it was your leg that sustained the dammage.
You and your silly raving detract from the arguement against allowing Graf to continue to serve.
what're you The Wizard? took some psych in college did ya? you do know that DSMIV diagnoses are vague and overbroad for a reason, right? i call you killer. 'cause you slay me with comedy.
OK, Killer here's the dope: The fact you're pissed at me for lumping you all in with Graf bespeaks volumes about the officer you truly are. instead of engaging with insightful discourse and cogent debate you, much like I'd hoped, took some recon by fire bait and ran to Los Angeles with it. yeah, you're a bright one you are. no. you're not. quite predictable in fact. the DD214 offer is proof enough of that.
you keep a peeled weather eye on the dispensation of the Graf case. i should think its outcome will signal as a harbinger that the scythe will in fact swing and others' heads will roll along to the Turks' tune.
now, isn't there something much more meaningful an active duty officer should be up to at 1358hrs? bet there's a pistol range you could go kill some worms at. perhaps some land nav would sweat the ill humors out of your body as well.
psychotic? raving? sounds quite similar to very much the same same Sea HAGs on the carpet for right now, no? you all are upset at a dose of your own medicine. imagine!
MDR, "Insightful discourse and cogent debate"? Do you cut and paste all of your responses, or is this a result of the prescriptions that the doctor has given you for your obvious troubles? I'll wait for your DD-214 as well. As for the time, it's late evening where I am and we don't need a pistol range here, there's plenty of firing going on.
Writing in a barely legible panic and knowledge of the DSM IV diagnostics? How long did they have you in, or is your knowledge based on trying to pull the wool over the eyes of the VA for a monthly check?
Panel: Graf should get general discharge
By David Larter - Staff writer
Posted : Friday Dec 3, 2010 14:32:39 EST
A panel of three flag officers Friday announced their recommendation that Capt. Holly Graf leave the Navy with a general discharge.
Graf showed little emotion as she listened to the findings of the board of inquiry at the Washington Navy Yard: By a vote of 2-1, the board found she had committed misconduct; by unanimous vote, it found she had committed conduct unbecoming of an officer for the maltreatment and cruelty toward her crew as commanding officer of the Yokosuka, Japan-based cruiser Cowpens.
The panel unanimously voted to recommend she be separated from the Navy with a general discharge and be allowed to retire as a captain for completing honorable service “for a period of no less than six months” at that rank.
Adm. Mark Buzby read the findings after the board had deliberated most of the morning and into the afternoon. The findings will be forwarded to Navy Personnel Command; they will not be final unless signed by Navy Secretary Ray Mabus.
The findings followed three days of testimony that painted Graf as a complicated commanding officer who was at once a competent, proven wartime commander and one who consistently alienated, belittled and berated those under her command.
Graf was fired as Cowpens’ CO in January following an inspector general investigation into allegations of cruelty toward her crew.
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