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2009-12-25T05:09:02.695-05:00

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Dear Author www.susankatzkeating.com ! What is it...

2009-12-02T00:30:25.073-05:00

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My father who earned the PH for sevice in viet nam...

2009-01-17T13:11:00.000-05:00

My father who earned the PH for sevice in viet nam and also suffered from PTSD said to me that he recovered from the wound that gave him the PH. But thought It should more so be given for the wound that never healed and disabled him for life

Susan,

I must agree with comments made by B...

2009-01-07T10:13:00.000-05:00

Susan,

I must agree with comments made by Bouhammer and others. As a veteran of 28 years, with two tours in Iraq and a PH recipient, I can tell you that most of our young men and women who are "in the fight", and by that I mean those whose lives are at risk - on or off the FOB - come home with some level of PTSD.

Contrary to your perception of the DOD's preconceptions, I believe that the Department is keenly aware of the pervasiveness of PTSD in the force and is trying to do something about it. Regulations have been changed so that soldiers applying for clearances don't have to mention seeing a mental health professional regarding combat-related issues. And the briefings, counselings, and questionaires required to both get into theater and return are numerous. I'm not suggesting that DOD is doing enough, but I don't they thier approach is "Get over it."

The challenge, as with many mental health issues, is predicting and measuring individual responses to the same stimulus. I've been back a month and still flinch at every loud noise. At the same time, despite the number of wounded and dead that I've seen, I had no problem dealing with an ER visit for my youngest while home on leave, even though he was bleeding profusely after a fall. Others might have just the opposite reaction to those to stimuli after having similar experiences in Iraq.

DOD and the VA must redouble their efforts to commit resources to the study and treatment of PTSD, and recognize it for what it is - a NATURAL reaction to the violence and carnage of war. Don't stigmatize PTSD or the soldiers who have it. Treat them.

Good ruling on the DoD's part. It might lead to p...

2009-01-06T19:25:00.000-05:00

Good ruling on the DoD's part. It might lead to people in the service fudging their condition to shrinks to get it awarded, which would take away from bona fide Purple Heart winners.

Grumpy says,

"The willingness with which ou...

2009-01-06T18:20:00.000-05:00

Grumpy says,

"The willingness with which our young people are likely to serve in any war, no matter how justified, shall be directly proportional to how they perceive the veterans of earlier wars were treated and appreciated by their nation" -George Washington 1789

This is the reason I asked for caution in our considerations.

V/R Grumpy

From "Grumpy"-

This is a very complex subje...

2009-01-06T18:06:00.000-05:00

From "Grumpy"-

This is a very complex subject, we need to walk with respect for both the "Purple Heart", but we also need to respect the disorder. DoD has an all or nothing attitude about many things, this is just one. It appears to be saying, PTSD can not even be on the table of consideration. IMHO, I believe we should NOT give the Purple Heart for PTSD, ALONE. But it should be on the table for consideration, with other Purple Heart Qualified Wounds.

Removal of PTSD from the table, attacks the honor or truth of the system. As George Washington rightly warned us 1789, this will influence the young in their choice to join the Military. I respectfully ask you to walk very carefully.

As always,
Grumpy

I'd like to add a caveat, if I may. While I don't...

2009-01-06T16:03:00.000-05:00

I'd like to add a caveat, if I may. While I don't think the PH should be given for PTSD, that doesn't mean that I don't think PTSD is a legitimate issue. It's very important that we treat is as a serious threat to the lives of our troops. Just as we don't award a PH to sufferers of asthma to those who have suffered from the smoke of burning buildings brought on by enemy bombardment or a burn pit but treat it medically, we should pay attention to the effects and causes of PTSD. Thanks for hearing me out.

I'm with Bouhammer and CJ on this one, Susan. You...

2009-01-06T15:38:00.000-05:00

I'm with Bouhammer and CJ on this one, Susan. Your concern for this issue is admirable. The Army is doing a considerable amount to raise awareness, but in the end the perception of soldiers and leaders concerning PTSD is one of education vs prejudice. Keep in mind that PTSD is also the poster-child of those who would label soldiers as "victims," something that I'm particularly opposed to. Evidence of this can be seen in last year's series of articles in the NYT by Lizette Alvarez, which had a particularly nasty slant against combat veterans, evoking a "Deer Hunter" mentality towards veterans. Combat action badges and ribbons demonstrate that a soldier or Marine has been through the stress of combat, and we are learning that it affects all of us to one extent or another.

Susan,

I've taken a lot of flack for my st...

2009-01-06T13:20:00.000-05:00

Susan,

I've taken a lot of flack for my stance on this as well. I've also been diagnosed with PTSD (though it took me 4 years to even see someone and only then because I was forced) and I agree with the DoD. I even wrote a piece on this on ASP last year when it first came up as an option.

I agree with Bouhammer that it's not what the Purple Heart was intended for. War sucks and affects EVERYONE. No one comes back from combat the same person they left as. What's next? Purple Heart for people who can't socialize because they're afraid of everyone? I can't see how you can compare someone who was shot, mortared, lost an arm, leg, etc and someone who can't sleep at night as deserving.

And how do we draw the line of what is "combat-related PTSD"? Rolling a vehicle off a bridge or barely escaping a drowning truck could cause someone to experience PTSD. Do they get a PH? I was robbed at knife point and suffered PTS on an assignment in a foreign country. Do I get one for that?

The regulations is very specific that the PH is presented to those that have "been wounded or killed, or who has died or may hereafter die after being wounded." Since when does any medical professional characterize a disorder as a wound.

Wounds are defined as "an injury to any part of the body from an outside force or agent sustained" during combat operations against an enemy. People get PTSD from being in car accidents!!

I'm glad the DOD came to this conclusion. It was the right choice.

I have a son who has a PH for the wounds he receiv...

2009-01-06T13:04:00.000-05:00

I have a son who has a PH for the wounds he received in Iraq. He also was medically discharged for chronic and severe PTSD from which he still suffers and for which he still receives treatment. When this proposal was originally raised, he unequivocally and without hesitation stated that the PH s/ NOT be awarded for PTSD. He feels that because PTSD can also be caused by non-combat traumas and is difficult to pinpoint exactly when/how it develops, it would diminish the awarding of the PH for combat wounds. He also believes that most soldiers would not wear a PH if awarded for their PTSD for the same reasons. And stigma is only part of it.

On a first-person basis, our family can personally testify as to the effects of PTSD and we concur with our son.

Many thanks, Bouhammer and Mrs. G. Your comments c...

2009-01-06T11:57:00.000-05:00

Many thanks, Bouhammer and Mrs. G. Your comments carry considerable weight.

I think you'll find many veterans will agree with ...

2009-01-06T11:45:00.000-05:00

I think you'll find many veterans will agree with Bouhammer.

As a veteran of two wars and someone who has been ...

2009-01-06T11:36:00.000-05:00

As a veteran of two wars and someone who has been diagnosed with PTSD, I agree with the DOD. It does not warrant the awarding of the Purple Heart. As MOH Winner Paul Bucha told me, everyone who engages in combat comes back with some level of PTSD. The last thing we need is a whole bunch of fobbits running around with PH plates talking about how that rocket that landed 500 meters away from them gave them PTSD and a PH.